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       I   mentioned   this   union   to   Schmidt�察  �and   asked   him   to   explain   its 


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hostility。    He   laughed�察  �and   said�此   �Firstly�察  �that   union   is   not   an   industrial 

union   at   all�察  �but   includes   precisely   the   people   whose   interests   are   not 

identical   with   those   of   the   workmen。       Secondly�察  �it   includes   all   the   old 

civil servants who�察�as you remember�察�left the ministries at the November 

Revolution�察�in many cases taking the money with them。                      They came back 

in   the   end�察  �but   though     no   longer    ready    to  work     openly    against    the 

revolution as a whole�察�they retain much of their old dislike of us�察�and�察�as 

you   see�察  �the   things   they   were   objecting   to   last   night   were   precisely   the 

things which do not concern them in particular。                Any other stick would be 

as good to them。 They  know well that if   they  were to go on strike   now 

they   would   be   a   nuisance   to   us�察  �no   more。      If   you   wish   to   know   the 

attitude    of   the   Trades    Unions�察    �you   should    look    at  the   Trades    Union 

Congress which wholly supported us�察�and gave a very different picture of 

affairs。 They know well that in all questions of labour�察�the trades unions 

have the decisive voice。          I told you that the unions send a majority of the 

members of the College which controls the work of this Commissariat。                           I 

should      have     added     that   the   three    most     important     departments´the 

department for safeguarding labour�察�the department for distributing labour�察�

and that for regulating wages´are entirely controlled by the Unions。; 

       ;How do politics affect the Commissariat�拭─�

       ;Not    at  all。  Politics     do  not   count    with   us�察  �just  because     we   are 

directly     controlled     by   the   Unions�察     �and   not�察  �by    any   political    party。 

Mensheviks�察�Maximalists and others have worked and are working in the 

Commissariat。   Of   course   if   a   man   were   opposed   to   the   revolution   as   a 

whole we should not have him here�察�because he would be working against 

us instead of helping。; 

       I asked whether he thought the trade unions would ever disappear in 

the   Soviet   organizations。       He   thought   not。      On   the   contrary�察  �they   had 

grown   steadily   throughout   the   revolution。           He   told   me   that   one   great 

change had been made in them。               Trade unions have been merged together 

into industrial   unions�察 �to   prevent   conflict   between   individual   sections   of 

one industry。       Thus boilermakers and smiths do not have separate unions�察�

but are united in the metal´workers' union。               This unification has its effect 

on    reforms      and   changes。       An     increase     in  wages�察    �for   example�察     �is 


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simultaneous        all  over    Russia。      The     price    of   living    varies    very 

considerably       in  different   parts   of   the   country�察  �there    being   as   great 

differences between the climates of different parts as there are between the 

countries of Europe。        Consequently a uniform absolute increase would be 

grossly unfair to some and grossly favourable to others。                 The increase is 

therefore proportional to the cost of living。            Moscow is taken as a norm 

of 100�察�and when a new minimum wage is established for Moscow other 

districts   increase   their  minimum  wage   proportionately。          A  table   for   this 

has    been   worked     out�察 �whereby     in  comparison      with   100   for   Moscow�察�

Petrograd is set down as 120�察�Voronezh or Kursk as 70�察�and so on。 

       We spoke of the new programme of the Communists�察�rough drafts of 

which were being printed in the newspapers for discussion�察�and he showed 

me his own suggestions in so far as the programme concerned labour。                     He 

wished      the   programme       to   include�察   �among     other    aims�察  �the   further 

mechanization        of   production�察    �particularly     the   mechanization       of   all 

unpleasant   and   dirty  processes�察  �improved   sanitary  inspection�察  �shortening 

of the working day in employments harmful to health�察�forbidding women 

with child to do any but very light work�察�and none at all for eight weeks 

before giving   birth   and for  eight   weeks   afterwards�察 �forbidding   overtime�察�

and so on。      ;We have already gone far beyond our old programme�察�and 

our new one steps far ahead of us。 Russia is the first country in the world 

where   all   workers have   a   fortnight's   holiday  in   the   year�察  �and   workers   in 

dangerous or unhealthy occupations have a month's。; 

       I said�察 �Yes�察�but don't you find that there is a very long way between 

the passing of a law and its realization�拭─�

       Schmidt   laughed   and   replied�此   �In   some   things   certainly�察  �yes。     For 

example�察�we are against all overtime�察�but�察�in the present state of Russia we 

should be sacrificing to a theory the good of the revolution as a whole if 

we did not allow and encourage overtime in transport repairs。                   Similarly�察�

until   things    are  further   developed      than   they   are  now�察   �we   should    be 

criminal slaves   to   theory  if   we   did   not�察  �in some   cases�察  �allow lads   under 

sixteen years old to be in the factories when we have not yet been able to 

provide the necessary schools where we would wish them to be。                      But the 

programme is there�察�and as fast as it can be realized we are realizing it。; 


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                               EDUCATION 



     February 28th。 

       At   the   Commissariat       of   Public    Education     I  showed      Professor 

Pokrovsky   a   copy   of   The   German´Bolshevik   Conspiracy�察  �published   in 

America�察     �containing     documents      supposed     to   prove   that   the   German 

General Staff arranged the November Revolution�察�and that the Bolsheviks 

were no more than German agents。              The weak point about the documents 

is that the most important of them have no reason for existence except to 

prove that there was such a conspiracy。            These are the documents bought 

by Mr。 Sisson。       I was interested to see what Pokrovsky would say of them。 

He    looked    through    them�察   �and   while    saying   that   he  had   seen   forged 

documents   better   done�察  �pointed   as   evidence   to   the   third   of   them   which 

ends with the alleged signatures of Zalkind�察�Polivanov�察�Mekhinoshin and 

Joffe。    He observed that whoever forged the things knew a good deal�察�but 

did    not    know     quite   enough�察    �because     these   persons�察    �described     as 

;plenipotentiaries      of  the   Council    of  Peoples'    Commissars�察─     �though    all 

actually in the service of the Soviet Government�察�could not all�察�at that time�察�

have been what they were said to be。            Polivanov�察�for example�察�was a very 

minor   official。    Joffe�察 �on   the   other�此  �hand�察 �was   indeed   a   person   of   some 

importance。       The putting of the names in that order was almost as funny 

as if they had produced a document signed by Lenin and the Commandant 

of the Kremlin�察�putting the latter first。 

       Pokrovsky      told   me   a  good    deal   about    the  organization     of   this 

Commissariat�察       �as  Lunacharsky�察     �the   actual   head    of  it�察 �was    away    in 

Petrograd。      The    routine    work    is  run  by   a  College    of  nine   members 

appointed   by   the   Council   of   People's   Commissars。        The   Commissar   of 

Education himself is appointed by the All´Russian Executive Committee。 

Besides     this�察  �there   is  a  Grand    College     which    meets    rarely   for   the 

settlement   of important questions。  In   it   are  representatives of   the Trades 

Unions�察     �the   Workers'     Co´operatives�察      �the   Teachers'    Union�察    �various 

Commissariats   such   as   that   for   affairs   of   Nationality�察  �and   other   public 

organizations。      He   also   gave   me   then   and   at   a   later   date   a   number   of 


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figures     illustrating   the   work    that  has   been    done    since   the  revolution。 

Thus whereas there used to be six universities there are now sixteen�察�most 

of the new universities having been opened on the initiative of the local 

Soviets�察  �as   at Astrakhan�察  �Nijni�察  �Ko

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