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raft upon which he sails through life´not without risk�察�as I admit�察�if
he cannot find some word of God which will more surely and safely
carry him。 And now�察�as you bid me�察�I will venture to question you��
as I should not like to reproach myself hereafter with not having said
at the time what I think。 For when I consider the matter either
alone or with Cebes�察�the argument does certainly appear to me��
Socrates�察�to be not sufficient。
Socrates answered�此�I dare say�察�my friend�察�that you may be right�察�but
I should like to know in what respect the argument is not sufficient。
In this respect�察�replied Simmias�此�Might not a person use the same
argument about harmony and the lyre´might he not say that harmony is a
thing invisible�察�incorporeal�察�fair�察�divine�察�abiding in the lyre
which is harmonized�察�but that the lyre and the strings are matter
and material�察�composite�察�earthy�察�and akin to mortality�拭�And when
someone breaks the lyre�察�or cuts and rends the strings�察�then he who
takes this view would argue as you do�察�and on the same analogy�察�that
the harmony survives and has not perished�察�for you cannot imagine��
as we would say�察�that the lyre without the strings�察�and the broken
strings themselves�察�remain�察�and yet that the harmony�察�which is of
heavenly and immortal nature and kindred�察�has perished´and perished
too before the mortal。 The harmony�察�he would say�察�certainly exists
somewhere�察�and the wood and strings will decay before that decays。 For
I suspect�察�Socrates�察�that the notion of the soul which we are all of
us inclined to entertain�察�would also be yours�察�and that you too
would conceive the body to be strung up�察�and held together�察�by the
elements of hot and cold�察�wet and dry�察�and the like�察�and that the soul
is the harmony or due proportionate admixture of them。 And�察�if this is
true�察�the inference clearly is that when the strings of the body are
unduly loosened or overstrained through disorder or other injury�察�then
the soul�察�though most divine�察�like other harmonies of music or of
the works of art�察�of course perishes at once�察�although the material
remains of the body may last for a considerable time�察�until they are
either decayed or burnt。 Now if anyone maintained that the soul�察�being
the harmony of the elements of the body�察�first perishes in that
which is called death�察�how shall we answer him��
Socrates looked round at us as his manner was�察�and said�察�with a
smile�此�Simmias has reason on his side�察�and why does not some one of
you who is abler than myself answer him�拭�for there is force in his
attack upon me。 But perhaps�察�before we answer him�察�we had better
also hear what Cebes has to say against the argument´this will give us
time for reflection�察�and when both of them have spoken�察�we may
either assent to them if their words appear to be in consonance with
the truth�察�or if not�察�we may take up the other side�察�and argue with
them。 Please to tell me then�察�Cebes�察�he said�察�what was the
difficulty which troubled you��
Cebes said�此�I will tell you。 My feeling is that the argument is
still in the same position�察�and open to the same objections which were
urged before�察�for I am ready to admit that the existence of the soul
before entering into the bodily form has been very ingeniously�察�and��
as I may be allowed to say�察�quite sufficiently proven�察�but the
existence of the soul after death is still�察�in my judgment��
unproven。 Now my objection is not the same as that of Simmias�察�for I
am not disposed to deny that the soul is stronger and more lasting
than the body�察�being of opinion that in all such respects the soul
very far excels the body。 Well�察�then�察�says the argument to me�察�why
do you remain unconvinced�拭�When you see that the weaker is still in
existence after the man is dead�察�will you not admit that the more
lasting must also survive during the same period of time�拭�Now I��
like Simmias�察�must employ a figure�察�and I shall ask you to consider
whether the figure is to the point。 The parallel which I will
suppose is that of an old weaver�察�who dies�察�and after his death
somebody says�此�He is not dead�察�he must be alive�察�and he appeals to the
coat which he himself wove and wore�察�and which is still whole and
undecayed。 And then he proceeds to ask of someone who is
incredulous�察�whether a man lasts longer�察�or the coat which is in use
and wear�察�and when he is answered that a man lasts far longer��
thinks that he has thus certainly demonstrated the survival of the
man�察�who is the more lasting�察�because the less lasting remains。 But
that�察�Simmias�察�as I would beg you to observe�察�is not the truth��
everyone sees that he who talks thus is talking nonsense。 For the
truth is that this weaver�察�having worn and woven many such coats��
though he outlived several of them�察�was himself outlived by the
last�察�but this is surely very far from proving that a man is
slighter and weaker than a coat。 Now the relation of the body to the
soul may be expressed in a similar figure�察�for you may say with reason
that the soul is lasting�察�and the body weak and short´lived in
comparison。 And every soul may be said to wear out many bodies��
especially in the course of a long life。 For if while the man is alive
the body deliquesces and decays�察�and yet the soul always weaves her
garment anew and repairs the waste�察�then of course�察�when the soul
perishes�察�she must have on her last garment�察�and this only will
survive her�察�but then again when the soul is dead the body will at
last show its native weakness�察�and soon pass into decay。 And therefore
this is an argument on which I would rather not rely as proving that
the soul exists after death。 For suppose that we grant even more
than you affirm as within the range of possibility�察�and besides
acknowledging that the soul existed before birth admit also that after
death the souls of some are existing still�察�and will exist�察�and will
be born and die again and again�察�and that there is a natural
strength in the soul which will hold out and be born many times´for
all this�察�we may be still inclined to think that she will weary in the
labors of successive births�察�and may at last succumb in one of her
deaths and utterly perish�察�and this death and dissolution of the
body which brings destruction to the soul may be unknown to any of us��
for no one of us can have had any experience of it�此�and if this be
true�察�then I say that he who is confident in death has but a foolish
confidence�察�unless he is able to prove that the soul is altogether
immortal and imperishable。 But if he is not able to prove this�察�he who
is about to die will always have reason to fear that when the body
is disunited�察�the soul also may utterly perish。
All of us�察�as we afterwards remarked to one another�察�had an
unpleasant feeling at hearing them say this。 When we had been so
firmly convinced before�察�now to have our faith shaken seemed to
introduce a confusion and uncertainty�察�not only into the previous
argument�察�but into any future one�察�either we were not good judges��
or there were no real grounds of belief。
Ech。 There I feel with you´indeed I do�察�Phaedo�察�and when you were
speaking�察�I was beginning to ask myself the same question�此�What
argument can I ever trust again�拭�For what could be more convincing
than the argument of Socrates�察�which has now fallen into discredit��
That the soul is a harmony is a doctrine which has always had a
wonderful attraction for me�察�and�察�when mentioned�察�came back to me at
once�察�as my own original conviction。 And now I must begin again and
find another argument which will assure me that when the man is dead
the soul dies not with him。 Tell me�察�I beg�察�how did Socrates
proceed�拭�Did he appear to share the unpleasant feeling which you
mention�拭�or did he receive the interruption calmly and give a
sufficient answer�拭�Tell us�察�as exactly as you can�察�what passed。
Phaed。 Often�察�Echecrates�察�as I have admired Socrates�察�I never
admired him more than at that moment。 That he should be able to answer
was nothing�察�but what astonished me was�察�first�察�the gentle and
pleasant and approving manner in which he regarded the words of the
young men�察�and then his quick sense of the wound which had been
inflicted by the argument�察�and his ready application of the healing
art。 He might be compared to a general rallying his defeated and
broken army�察�urging them to follow him and return to the field of
argument。
Ech。 How was that��
Phaed。 You shall hear�察�for I was close to him on his right hand��
seated on a sort of stool�察�and he on a couch which was a good deal
higher。 Now he had a way of playing with my hair�察�and then he smoothed
my head�察�and pressed the hair upon my neck�察�and said�此�To´morrow��
Phaedo�察�I suppose that these fair locks of yours will be severed。
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