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Phaedo�察�I suppose that these fair locks of yours will be severed。
Yes�察�Socrates�察�I suppose that they will�察�I replied。
Not so if you will take my advice。
What shall I do with them�拭�I said。
To´day�察�he replied�察�and not to´morrow�察�if this argument dies and
cannot be brought to life again by us�察�you and I will both shave our
locks�察�and if I were you�察�and could not maintain my ground against
Simmias and Cebes�察�I would myself take an oath�察�like the Argives��
not to wear hair any more until I had renewed the conflict and
defeated them。
Yes�察�I said�察�but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two。
Summon me then�察�he said�察�and I will be your Iolaus until the sun
goes down。
I summon you rather�察�I said�察�not as Heracles summoning Iolaus�察�but
as Iolaus might summon Heracles。
That will be all the same�察�he said。 But first let us take care
that we avoid a danger。
And what is that�拭�I said。
The danger of becoming misologists�察�he replied�察�which is one of
the very worst things that can happen to us。 For as there are
misanthropists or haters of men�察�there are also misologists or
haters of ideas�察�and both spring from the same cause�察�which is
ignorance of the world。 Misanthropy arises from the too great
confidence of inexperience�察�you trust a man and think him altogether
true and good and faithful�察�and then in a little while he turns out to
be false and knavish�察�and then another and another�察�and when this
has happened several times to a man�察�especially within the circle of
his most trusted friends�察�as he deems them�察�and he has often quarreled
with them�察�he at last hates all men�察�and believes that no one has
any good in him at all。 I dare say that you must have observed this。
Yes�察�I said。
And is not this discreditable�拭�The reason is that a man�察�having to
deal with other men�察�has no knowledge of them�察�for if he had knowledge
he would have known the true state of the case�察�that few are the
good and few the evil�察�and that the great majority are in the interval
between them。
How do you mean�拭�I said。
I mean�察�he replied�察�as you might say of the very large and very
small�察�that nothing is more uncommon than a very large or a very small
man�察�and this applies generally to all extremes�察�whether of great
and small�察�or swift and slow�察�or fair and foul�察�or black and white��
and whether the instances you select be men or dogs or anything
else�察�few are the extremes�察�but many are in the mean between them。 Did
you never observe this��
Yes�察�I said�察�I have。
And do you not imagine�察�he said�察�that if there were a competition of
evil�察�the first in evil would be found to be very few��
Yes�察�that is very likely�察�I said。
Yes�察�that is very likely�察�he replied�察�not that in this respect
arguments are like men´there I was led on by you to say more than I
had intended�察�but the point of comparison was that when a simple man
who has no skill in dialectics believes an argument to be true which
he afterwards imagines to be false�察�whether really false or not�察�and
then another and another�察�he has no longer any faith left�察�and great
disputers�察�as you know�察�come to think�察�at last that they have grown to
be the wisest of mankind�察�for they alone perceive the utter
unsoundness and instability of all arguments�察�or�察�indeed�察�of all
things�察�which�察�like the currents in the Euripus�察�are going up and down
in never´ceasing ebb and flow。
That is quite true�察�I said。
Yes�察�Phaedo�察�he replied�察�and very melancholy too�察�if there be such a
thing as truth or certainty or power of knowing at all�察�that a man
should have lighted upon some argument or other which at first
seemed true and then turned out to be false�察�and instead of blaming
himself and his own want of wit�察�because he is annoyed�察�should at last
be too glad to transfer the blame from himself to arguments in
general�察�and forever afterwards should hate and revile them�察�and
lose the truth and knowledge of existence。
Yes�察�indeed�察�I said�察�that is very melancholy。
Let us�察�then�察�in the first place�察�he said�察�be careful of admitting
into our souls the notion that there is no truth or health or
soundness in any arguments at all�察�but let us rather say that there is
as yet no health in us�察�and that we must quit ourselves like men and
do our best to gain health´you and all other men with a view to the
whole of your future life�察�and I myself with a view to death。 For at
this moment I am sensible that I have not the temper of a philosopher��
like the vulgar�察�I am only a partisan。 For the partisan�察�when he is
engaged in a dispute�察�cares nothing about the rights of the
question�察�but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own
assertions。 And the difference between him and me at the present
moment is only this´that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that
what he says is true�察�I am rather seeking to convince myself�察�to
convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me。 And do but see
how much I gain by this。 For if what I say is true�察�then I do well
to be persuaded of the truth�察�but if there be nothing after death��
still�察�during the short time that remains�察�I shall save my friends
from lamentations�察�and my ignorance will not last�察�and therefore no
harm will be done。 This is the state of mind�察�Simmias and Cebes�察�in
which I approach the argument。 And I would ask you to be thinking of
the truth and not of Socrates�此�agree with me�察�if I seem to you to be
speaking the truth�察�or if not�察�withstand me might and main�察�that I may
not deceive you as well as myself in my enthusiasm�察�and�察�like the bee��
leave my sting in you before I die。
And now let us proceed�察�he said。 And first of all let me be sure
that I have in my mind what you were saying。 Simmias�察�if I remember
rightly�察�has fears and misgivings whether the soul�察�being in the
form of harmony�察�although a fairer and diviner thing than the body��
may not perish first。 On the other hand�察�Cebes appeared to grant
that the soul was more lasting than the body�察�but he said that no
one could know whether the soul�察�after having worn out many bodies��
might not perish herself and leave her last body behind her�察�and
that this is death�察�which is the destruction not of the body but of
the soul�察�for in the body the work of destruction is ever going on。
Are not these�察�Simmias and Cebes�察�the points which we have to
consider��
They both agreed to this statement of them。
He proceeded�此�And did you deny the force of the whole preceding
argument�察�or of a part only��
Of a part only�察�they replied。
And what did you think�察�he said�察�of that part of the argument in
which we said that knowledge was recollection only�察�and inferred
from this that the soul must have previously existed somewhere else
before she was enclosed in the body�拭�Cebes said that he had been
wonderfully impressed by that part of the argument�察�and that his
conviction remained unshaken。 Simmias agreed�察�and added that he
himself could hardly imagine the possibility of his ever thinking
differently about that。
But�察�rejoined Socrates�察�you will have to think differently�察�my
Theban friend�察�if you still maintain that harmony is a compound�察�and
that the soul is a harmony which is made out of strings set in the
frame of the body�察�for you will surely never allow yourself to say
that a harmony is prior to the elements which compose the harmony。
No�察�Socrates�察�that is impossible。
But do you not see that you are saying this when you say that the
soul existed before she took the form and body of man�察�and was made up
of elements which as yet had no existence�拭�For harmony is not a sort
of thing like the soul�察�as you suppose�察�but first the lyre�察�and the
strings�察�and the sounds exist in a state of discord�察�and then
harmony is made last of all�察�and perishes first。 And how can such a
notion of the soul as this agree with the other��
Not at all�察�replied Simmias。
And yet�察�he said�察�there surely ought to be harmony when harmony is
the theme of discourse。
There ought�察�replied Simmias。
But there is no harmony�察�he said�察�in the two propositions that
knowledge is recollection�察�and that the soul is a harmony。 Which of
them�察�then�察�will you retain��
I think�察�he replied�察�that I have a much stronger faith�察�Socrates�察�in
the first of the two�察�which has been fully demonstrated to me�察�than in
the latter�察�which has not been demonstrated at all�察�but rests only
on probable and plausible grounds�察�and I know too well that these
arguments from probabilities are impostors�察�and unless great caution
is observed in the use of them they are apt to be deceptive´in
geometry�察�and in other things too。 But the doctrine of knowledge and
recollection has been proven to me