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Phaedo�察�I suppose that these fair locks of yours will be severed。



  Yes�察�Socrates�察�I suppose that they will�察�I replied。



  Not so if you will take my advice。



  What shall I do with them�拭�I said。



  To´day�察�he replied�察�and not to´morrow�察�if this argument dies and



cannot be brought to life again by us�察�you and I will both shave our



locks�察�and if I were you�察�and could not maintain my ground against



Simmias and Cebes�察�I would myself take an oath�察�like the Argives��



not to wear hair any more until I had renewed the conflict and



defeated them。



  Yes�察�I said�察�but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two。



  Summon me then�察�he said�察�and I will be your Iolaus until the sun



goes down。



  I summon you rather�察�I said�察�not as Heracles summoning Iolaus�察�but



as Iolaus might summon Heracles。



  That will be all the same�察�he said。 But first let us take care



that we avoid a danger。



  And what is that�拭�I said。



  The danger of becoming misologists�察�he replied�察�which is one of



the very worst things that can happen to us。 For as there are



misanthropists or haters of men�察�there are also misologists or



haters of ideas�察�and both spring from the same cause�察�which is



ignorance of the world。 Misanthropy arises from the too great



confidence of inexperience�察�you trust a man and think him altogether



true and good and faithful�察�and then in a little while he turns out to



be false and knavish�察�and then another and another�察�and when this



has happened several times to a man�察�especially within the circle of



his most trusted friends�察�as he deems them�察�and he has often quarreled



with them�察�he at last hates all men�察�and believes that no one has



any good in him at all。 I dare say that you must have observed this。



  Yes�察�I said。



  And is not this discreditable�拭�The reason is that a man�察�having to



deal with other men�察�has no knowledge of them�察�for if he had knowledge



he would have known the true state of the case�察�that few are the



good and few the evil�察�and that the great majority are in the interval



between them。



  How do you mean�拭�I said。



  I mean�察�he replied�察�as you might say of the very large and very



small�察�that nothing is more uncommon than a very large or a very small



man�察�and this applies generally to all extremes�察�whether of great



and small�察�or swift and slow�察�or fair and foul�察�or black and white��



and whether the instances you select be men or dogs or anything



else�察�few are the extremes�察�but many are in the mean between them。 Did



you never observe this��



  Yes�察�I said�察�I have。



  And do you not imagine�察�he said�察�that if there were a competition of



evil�察�the first in evil would be found to be very few��



  Yes�察�that is very likely�察�I said。



  Yes�察�that is very likely�察�he replied�察�not that in this respect



arguments are like men´there I was led on by you to say more than I



had intended�察�but the point of comparison was that when a simple man



who has no skill in dialectics believes an argument to be true which



he afterwards imagines to be false�察�whether really false or not�察�and



then another and another�察�he has no longer any faith left�察�and great



disputers�察�as you know�察�come to think�察�at last that they have grown to



be the wisest of mankind�察�for they alone perceive the utter



unsoundness and instability of all arguments�察�or�察�indeed�察�of all



things�察�which�察�like the currents in the Euripus�察�are going up and down



in never´ceasing ebb and flow。



  That is quite true�察�I said。



  Yes�察�Phaedo�察�he replied�察�and very melancholy too�察�if there be such a



thing as truth or certainty or power of knowing at all�察�that a man



should have lighted upon some argument or other which at first



seemed true and then turned out to be false�察�and instead of blaming



himself and his own want of wit�察�because he is annoyed�察�should at last



be too glad to transfer the blame from himself to arguments in



general�察�and forever afterwards should hate and revile them�察�and



lose the truth and knowledge of existence。



  Yes�察�indeed�察�I said�察�that is very melancholy。



  Let us�察�then�察�in the first place�察�he said�察�be careful of admitting



into our souls the notion that there is no truth or health or



soundness in any arguments at all�察�but let us rather say that there is



as yet no health in us�察�and that we must quit ourselves like men and



do our best to gain health´you and all other men with a view to the



whole of your future life�察�and I myself with a view to death。 For at



this moment I am sensible that I have not the temper of a philosopher��



like the vulgar�察�I am only a partisan。 For the partisan�察�when he is



engaged in a dispute�察�cares nothing about the rights of the



question�察�but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own



assertions。 And the difference between him and me at the present



moment is only this´that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that



what he says is true�察�I am rather seeking to convince myself�察�to



convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me。 And do but see



how much I gain by this。 For if what I say is true�察�then I do well



to be persuaded of the truth�察�but if there be nothing after death��



still�察�during the short time that remains�察�I shall save my friends



from lamentations�察�and my ignorance will not last�察�and therefore no



harm will be done。 This is the state of mind�察�Simmias and Cebes�察�in



which I approach the argument。 And I would ask you to be thinking of



the truth and not of Socrates�此�agree with me�察�if I seem to you to be



speaking the truth�察�or if not�察�withstand me might and main�察�that I may



not deceive you as well as myself in my enthusiasm�察�and�察�like the bee��



leave my sting in you before I die。



  And now let us proceed�察�he said。 And first of all let me be sure



that I have in my mind what you were saying。 Simmias�察�if I remember



rightly�察�has fears and misgivings whether the soul�察�being in the



form of harmony�察�although a fairer and diviner thing than the body��



may not perish first。 On the other hand�察�Cebes appeared to grant



that the soul was more lasting than the body�察�but he said that no



one could know whether the soul�察�after having worn out many bodies��



might not perish herself and leave her last body behind her�察�and



that this is death�察�which is the destruction not of the body but of



the soul�察�for in the body the work of destruction is ever going on。



Are not these�察�Simmias and Cebes�察�the points which we have to



consider��



  They both agreed to this statement of them。



  He proceeded�此�And did you deny the force of the whole preceding



argument�察�or of a part only��



  Of a part only�察�they replied。



  And what did you think�察�he said�察�of that part of the argument in



which we said that knowledge was recollection only�察�and inferred



from this that the soul must have previously existed somewhere else



before she was enclosed in the body�拭�Cebes said that he had been



wonderfully impressed by that part of the argument�察�and that his



conviction remained unshaken。 Simmias agreed�察�and added that he



himself could hardly imagine the possibility of his ever thinking



differently about that。



  But�察�rejoined Socrates�察�you will have to think differently�察�my



Theban friend�察�if you still maintain that harmony is a compound�察�and



that the soul is a harmony which is made out of strings set in the



frame of the body�察�for you will surely never allow yourself to say



that a harmony is prior to the elements which compose the harmony。



  No�察�Socrates�察�that is impossible。



  But do you not see that you are saying this when you say that the



soul existed before she took the form and body of man�察�and was made up



of elements which as yet had no existence�拭�For harmony is not a sort



of thing like the soul�察�as you suppose�察�but first the lyre�察�and the



strings�察�and the sounds exist in a state of discord�察�and then



harmony is made last of all�察�and perishes first。 And how can such a



notion of the soul as this agree with the other��



  Not at all�察�replied Simmias。



  And yet�察�he said�察�there surely ought to be harmony when harmony is



the theme of discourse。



  There ought�察�replied Simmias。



  But there is no harmony�察�he said�察�in the two propositions that



knowledge is recollection�察�and that the soul is a harmony。 Which of



them�察�then�察�will you retain��



  I think�察�he replied�察�that I have a much stronger faith�察�Socrates�察�in



the first of the two�察�which has been fully demonstrated to me�察�than in



the latter�察�which has not been demonstrated at all�察�but rests only



on probable and plausible grounds�察�and I know too well that these



arguments from probabilities are impostors�察�and unless great caution



is observed in the use of them they are apt to be deceptive´in



geometry�察�and in other things too。 But the doctrine of knowledge and



recollection has been proven to me 

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