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laugh you to
scorn�察�and will pretend that he knows nothing of mirrors and
streams�察�or of sight at all�察�he will say that he is asking about an
idea。
Theaet。 What can he mean��
Str。 The common notion pervading all these objects�察�which you
speak of as many�察�and yet call by the single name of image�察�as
though it were the unity under which they were all included。 How
will you maintain your ground against him��
Theaet。 How。 Stranger�察�can I describe an image except as something
fashioned in the likeness of the true��
Str。 And do you mean this something to be some other true thing��
or what do you mean��
Theaet。 Certainly not another true thing�察�but only a resemblance。
Str。 And you mean by true that which really is��
Theaet。 Yes。
Str。 And the not true is that which is the opposite of the true��
Theaet。 Exactly。
Str。 A resemblance�察�then�察�is not really real�察�if�察�as you say�察�not
true��
Theaet。 Nay�察�but it is in a certain sense。
Str。 You mean to say�察�not in a true sense��
Theaet。 Yes�察�it is in reality only an image。
Str。 Then what we call an image is in reality really unreal。
Theaet。 In what a strange complication of being and
not´being we are
involved��
Str。 Strange� �I should think so。 See how�察�by his reciprocation of
opposites�察�the many´headed Sophist has compelled us�察�quite
against our
will�察�to admit the existence of not´being。
Theaet。 Yes�察�indeed�察�I see。
Str。 The difficulty is how to define his art without falling into
a contradiction。
Theaet。 How do you mean�拭�And where does the danger lie��
Str。 When we say that he deceives us with an illusion�察�and that
his art is illusory�察�do we mean that our soul is led by his art to
think falsely�察�or what do we mean��
Theaet。 There is nothing else to be said。
Str。 Again�察�false opinion is that form of opinion which thinks the
opposite of the truth�此�You would assent��
Theaet。 Certainly。
Str。 You mean to say that false opinion thinks what is not��
Theaet。 Of course。
Str。 Does false opinion think that things which are not are not��
or that in a certain sense they are��
Theaet。 Things that are not must be imagined to exist in a certain
sense�察�if any degree of falsehood is to be possible。
Str。 And does not false opinion also think that things which most
certainly exist do not exist at all��
Theaet。 Yes。
Str。 And here�察�again�察�is falsehood��
Theaet。 Falsehood´yes。
Str。 And in like manner�察�a false proposition will be deemed to be
one which are�察�the nonexistence of things which are�察�and the
existence
of things which are not。
Theaet。 There is no other way in which a false proposition can
arise。
Str。 There is not�察�but the Sophist will deny these statements。 And
indeed how can any rational man assent to them�察�when the very
expressions which we have just used were before acknowledged by us
to be unutterable�察�unspeakable�察�indescribable�察�unthinkable�拭�
Do you see
his point�察�Theaetetus��
Theaet。 Of course he will say that we are contradicting ourselves
when we hazard the assertion�察�that falsehood exists in opinion and
in words�察�for in maintaining this�察�we are compelled over and over
again to assert being of not´being�察�which we admitted just now to be
an utter impossibility。
Str。 How well you remember� �And now it is high time to hold a
consultation as to what we ought to do about the Sophist�察�for if we
persist in looking for him in the class of false workers and
magicians�察�you see that the handles for objection and the
difficulties
which will arise are very numerous and obvious。
Theaet。 They are indeed。
Str。 We have gone through but a very small portion of
them�察�and they
are really infinite。
Theaet。 If that is the case�察�we cannot possibly catch the Sophist。
Str。 Shall we then be so faint´hearted as to give him up��
Theaet。 Certainly not�察�I should say�察�if we can get the slightest
hold upon him。
Str。 Will you then forgive me�察�and�察�as your words imply�察�not be
altogether displeased if I flinch a little from the grasp of such a
sturdy argument��
Theaet。 To be sure I will。
Str。 I have a yet more urgent request to make。
Theaet。 Which is´��
Str。 That you will promise not to regard me as a parricide。
Theaet。 And why��
Str。 Because�察�in self´defence�察�I must test the philosophy of my
father Parmenides�察�and try to prove by main force�察�that in a certain
sense not´being is�察�and that being�察�on the other hand�察�is not。
Theaet。 Some attempt of the kind is clearly needed。
Str。 Yes�察�a blind man�察�as they say�察�might see that�察�and�察�unless
these questions are decided in one way or another�察�no one when he
speaks false words�察�or false opinion�察�or idols�察�or images or
imitations or appearances�察�or about the arts which are concerned
with them�察�can avoid falling into ridiculous contradictions。
Theaet。 Most true。
Str。 And therefore I must venture to lay hands on my father's
argument�察�for if I am to be over´scrupulous�察�I shall have to give
the matter up。
Theaet。 Nothing in the world should ever induce us to do so。
Str。 I have a third little request which I wish to make。
Theaet。 What is it��
Str。 You heard me´say what´I have always felt and still feel´that
I have no heart for this argument��
Theaet。 I did。
Str。 I tremble at the thought of what I have said�察�and expect that
you will deem me mad�察�when you hear of my sudden changes and
shiftings�察�let me therefore observe�察�that I am examining the
question entirely out of regard for you。
Theaet。 There is no reason for you to fear that I shall impute any
impropriety to you�察�if you attempt this refutation and proof�察�take
heart�察�therefore�察�and proceed。
Str。 And where shall I begin the perilous enterprise�拭�I think that
the road which I must take is´
Theaet。 Which�拭�Let me hear。
Str。 I think that we had better�察�first of all�察�consider the points
which at present are regard as self´evident�察�lest we may have fallen
into some confusion�察�and be too ready to assent to one another��
fancying that we are quite clear about them。
Theaet。 Say more distinctly what you mean。
Str。 I think that Parmenides�察�and all ever yet undertook to
determine the number and nature of existences�察�talked to us in
rather a light and easy strain。
Theaet。 How��
Str。 As if we had been children�察�to whom they repeated each his
own mythus or story�察�one said that there were three principles�察�and
that at one time there was war between certain of them�察�and
then again
there was peace�察�and they were married and begat children�察�
and brought
them up�察�and another spoke of two principles�察�a moist and a dry�察�or
a hot and a cold�察�and made them marry and cohabit。 The Eleatics��
however�察�in our part of the world�察�say that things are many in name��
but in nature one�察�this is their mythus�察�which goes back to
Xenophanes�察�and is even older。 Then there are Ionian�察�and in more
recent times Sicilian muses�察�who have arrived at the conclusion that
to unite the two principles is safer�察�and to say that being
is one and
many�察�and that these are held together by enmity and friendship��
ever parting�察�ever meeting�察�as the´severer Muses assert�察�while the
gentler ones do not insist on the perpetual strife and peace�察�but
admit a relaxation and alternation of them�察�peace and unity
sometimes prevailing under the sway of Aphrodite�察�and then again
plurality and war�察�by reason of a principle of strife。 Whether any
of them spoke the truth in all this is hard to determine�察�besides��
antiquity and famous men should have reverence�察�and not be liable to
accusations�察�so serious�察�Yet one thing may be said of them without
offence´
Theaet。 What thing��
Str。 That they went on their several ways disdaining to notice
people like ourselves�察�they did not care whether they took us with
them�察�or left us behind them。
Theaet。 How do you mean��
Str。 I mean to say�察�that when they talk of one�察�two�察�or more
elements�察�which are or have become or are becoming�察�or again of heat
mingling with cold�察�assuming in some other part of their works
separations and mixtures�察�tell me�察�Theaetetus�察�do you understand
what they mean by these expressions�拭�When I was a younger man�察�I
used to fancy that I understood quite well what was meant by the
term ;not´being�察─�which is our present subject of dispute�察�
and now you
see in what a fix we are about it。
Theaet。 I see。
Str。 And very likely we have been getting into the same perplexity
about ;being�察─�and yet may fancy that when anybody utters
the word�察�we
understand him quite easily�察�although we do not know about
not´being。 But we may be�察�equally ignorant of both。
Theaet。 I dare say。
Str。 And the same may be said of all the terms just mentioned。
Theaet。 True。
Str。 The consideration of most of them may be deferred�察�but we had
better now discuss the chief captain and leader of them。
Theaet。 Of what are you speaking�拭�You clearly think that we must
first investigate what people mean by the word ;being。;
Str。 You follow close at heels�察�Theaetetus。 For the right method��
I conceive�察�will be to call into our pre