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380 BC
PROTAGORAS
by Plato
translated by Benjamin Jowett
PROTAGORAS
PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE�此�SOCRATES�察�who is the narrator of the
Dialogue to his Companion�察�HIPPOCRATES�察�ALCIBIADES�察�CRINAS��
PROTAGORAS�察�HIPPIAS�察�PRODICUS�察�Sophists�察�CALLIAS�察�a wealthy
Athenian。 Scene�此�The House of Callias
Com。 Where do you come from�察�Socrates�拭�And yet I need hardly ask the
question�察�for I know that you have been in chase of the fair
Alcibiades。 I saw the day before yesterday�察�and he had got a beard
like a man´and he is a man�察�as I may tell you in your ear。 But I
thought that he was still very charming。
Soc。 What of his beard�拭�Are you not of Homer's opinion�察�who says
Youth is most charming when the beard first appears��
And that is now the charm of Alcibiades。
Com。 Well�察�and how do matters proceed�拭�Have you been visiting him��
and was he gracious to you��
Soc。 Yes�察�I thought that he was very gracious�察�and especially
to´day�察�for I have just come from him�察�and he has been helping me in
an argument。 But shall I tell you a strange thing�拭�I paid no attention
to him�察�and several times I quite forgot that he was present。
Com。 What is the meaning of this�拭�Has anything happened between
you and him�拭�For surely you cannot have discovered a fairer love
than he is�察�certainly not in this city of Athens。
Soc。 Yes�察�much fairer。
Com。 What do you mean´a citizen or a foreigner��
Soc。 A foreigner。
Com。 Of what country��
Soc。 Of Abdera。
Com。 And is this stranger really in your opinion a fairer love
than the son of Cleinias��
Soc。 And is not the wiser always the fairer�察�sweet friend��
Com。 But have you really met�察�Socrates�察�with some wise one��
Soc。 Say rather�察�with the wisest of all living men�察�if you are
willing to accord that title to Protagoras。
Com。 What� �Is Protagoras in Athens��
Soc。 Yes�察�he has been here two days。
Com。 And do you just come from an interview with him��
Soc。 Yes�察�and I have heard and said many things。
Com。 Then�察�if you have no engagement�察�suppose that you sit down tell
me what passed�察�and my attendant here shall give up his place to you。
Soc。 To be sure�察�and I shall be grateful to you for listening。
Com。 Thank you�察�too�察�for telling us。
Soc。 That is thank you twice over。 Listen then�此�
Last night�察�or rather very early this morning�察�Hippocrates�察�the
son of Apollodorus and the brother of Phason�察�gave a tremendous
thump with his staff at my door�察�some one opened to him�察�and he came
rushing in and bawled out�此�Socrates�察�are you awake or asleep��
I knew his voice�察�and said�此�Hippocrates�察�is that you�拭�and do you
bring any news��
Good news�察�he said�察�nothing but good。
Delightful�察�I said�察�but what is the news�拭�and why have you come
hither at this unearthly hour��
He drew nearer to me and said�此�Protagoras is come。
Yes�察�I replied�察�he came two days ago�此�have you only just heard of
his arrival��
Yes�察�by the gods�察�he said�察�but not until yesterday evening。
At the same time he felt for the truckle´bed�察�and sat down at my
feet�察�and then he said�此�Yesterday quite late in the evening�察�on my
return from Oenoe whither I had gone in pursuit of my runaway slave
Satyrus�察�as I meant to have told you�察�if some other matter had not
come in the way�察�on my return�察�when we had done supper and were
about to retire to rest�察�my brother said to me�此�Protagoras is come。
I was going to you at once�察�and then I thought that the night was
far spent。 But the moment sleep left me after my fatigue�察�I got up and
came hither direct。
I�察�who knew the very courageous madness of the man�察�said�此�What is
the matter�拭�Has Protagoras robbed you of anything��
He replied�察�laughing�此�Yes�察�indeed he has�察�Socrates�察�of the wisdom
which he keeps from me。
But�察�surely�察�I said�察�if you give him money�察�and make friends with
him�察�he will make you as wise as he is himself。
Would to heaven�察�he replied�察�that this were the case� �He might
take all that I have�察�and all that my friends have�察�if he pleased。 But
that is why I have come to you now�察�in order that you may speak to him
on my behalf�察�for I am young�察�and also I have never seen nor heard
him�察。�when he visited Athens before I was but a child�� and all men
praise him�察�Socrates�察�he is reputed to be the most accomplished of
speakers。 There is no reason why we should not go to him at once��
and then we shall find him at home。 He lodges�察�as I hear�察�with Callias
the son of Hipponicus�此�let us start。
I replied�此�Not yet�察�my good friend�察�the hour is too early。 But let
us rise and take a turn in the court and wait about there until
daybreak�察�when the day breaks�察�then we will go。 For Protagoras is
generally at home�察�and we shall be sure to find him�察�never fear。
Upon this we got up and walked about in the court�察�and I thought
that I would make trial of the strength of his resolution。 So I
examined him and put questions to him。 Tell me�察�Hippocrates�察�I said��
as you are going to Protagoras�察�and will be paying your money to
him�察�what is he to whom you are going�拭�and what will he make of you��
If�察�for example�察�you had thought of going to Hippocrates of Cos�察�the
Asclepiad�察�and were about to give him your money�察�and some one had
said to you�此�You are paying money to your namesake Hippocrates�察�O
Hippocrates�察�tell me�察�what is he that you give him money�拭�how would
you have answered��
I should say�察�he replied�察�that I gave money to him as a physician。
And what will he make of you��
A physician�察�he said。
And if you were resolved to go to Polycleitus the Argive�察�or
Pheidias the Athenian�察�and were intending to give them money�察�and some
one had asked you�此�What are Polycleitus and Pheidias�拭�and why do you
give them this money�拭�how would you have answered��
I should have answered�察�that they were statuaries。
And what will they make of you��
A statuary�察�of course。
Well now�察�I said�察�you and I are going to Protagoras�察�and we are
ready to pay him money on your behalf。 If our own means are
sufficient�察�and we can gain him with these�察�we shall be only too glad��
but if not�察�then we are to spend the money of your friends as well。
Now suppose�察�that while we are thus enthusiastically pursuing our
object some one were to say to us�此�Tell me�察�Socrates�察�and you
Hippocrates�察�what is Protagoras�察�and why are you going to pay him
money�察�how should we answer�拭�I know that Pheidias is a sculptor�察�and
that Homer is a poet�察�but what appellation is given to Protagoras�拭�how
is he designated��
They call him a Sophist�察�Socrates�察�he replied。
Then we are going to pay our money to him in the character of a
Sophist��
Certainly。
But suppose a person were to ask this further question�此�And how
about yourself�拭�What will Protagoras make of you�察�if you go to see
him��
He answered�察�with a blush upon his face ��for the day was just
beginning to dawn�察�so that I could see him���此�Unless this differs in
some way from the former instances�察�I suppose that he will make a
Sophist of me。
By the gods�察�I said�察�and are you not ashamed at having to appear
before the Hellenes in the character of a Sophist��
Indeed�察�Socrates�察�to confess the truth�察�I am。
But you should not assume�察�Hippocrates�察�that the instruction of
Protagoras is of this nature�此�may you not learn of him in the same way
that you learned the arts of the grammarian�察�musician�察�or trainer�察�not
with the view of making any of them a profession�察�but only as a part
of education�察�and because a private gentleman and freeman ought to
know them��
Just so�察�he said�察�and that�察�in my opinion�察�is a far truer account of
the teaching of Protagoras。
I said�此�I wonder whether you know what you are doing��
And what am I doing��
You are going to commit your soul to the care of a man whom you call
a Sophist。 And yet I hardly think that you know what a Sophist is�察�and
if not�察�then you do not even know to whom you are committing your soul
and whether the thing to which you commit yourself be good or evil。
I certainly think that I do know�察�he replied。
Then tell me�察�what do you imagine that he is��
I take him to be one who knows wise things�察�he replied�察�as his
name implies。
And might you not�察�I said�察�affirm this of the painter and of the
carpenter also�此�Do not they�察�too�察�know wise things�拭�But suppose a
person were to ask us�此�In what are the painters wise�拭�We should
answer�此�In what relates to the making of likenesses�察�and similarly
of other things。 And if he were further to ask�此�What is the wisdom
of the Sophist�察�and wh