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ealed a pleasant thing�察�and are those who are being healed pleased�拭  �Pol。 I think not。   Soc。 A useful thing�察�then�拭  �Pol。 Yes。   Soc。 Yes�察�because the patient is delivered from a great evil�察�and this is the advantage of enduring the pain´that you get well�拭  �Pol。 Certainly。   Soc。 And would he be the happier man in his bodily condition�察�who is healed�察�or who never was out of health�拭  �Pol。 Clearly he who was never out of health。   Soc。 Yes�察�for happiness surely does not consist in being delivered from evils�察�but in never having had them。   Pol。 True。   Soc。 And suppose the case of two persons who have some evil in their bodies�察�and that one of them is healed and delivered from evil�察�and another is not healed�察�but retains the evil´which of them is the most miserable�拭  �Pol。 Clearly he who is not healed。   Soc。 And was not punishment said by us to be a deliverance from the greatest of evils�察�which is vice�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 And justice punishes us�察�and makes us more just�察�and is the medicine of our vice�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 He�察�then�察�has the first place in the scale of happiness who has never had vice in his soul�察�for this has been shown to be the greatest of evils。   Pol。 Clearly。   Soc。 And he has the second place�察�who is delivered from vice�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 That is to say�察�he who receives admonition and rebuke and punishment�拭  �Pol。 Yes。   Soc。 Then he lives worst�察�who�察�having been unjust�察�has no deliverance from injustice�拭  �Pol。 Certainly。   Soc。 That is�察�he lives worst who commits the greatest crimes�察�and who�察�being the most unjust of men�察�succeeds in escaping rebuke or correction or punishment�察�and this�察�as you say�察�has been accomplished by Archelaus and other tyrants and rhetoricians and potentates�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 May not their way of proceeding�察�my friend�察�be compared to the conduct of a person who is afflicted with the worst of diseases and yet contrives not to pay the penalty to the physician for his sins against his constitution�察�and will not be cured�察�because�察�like a child�察�he is afraid of the pain of being burned or cut�此�Is not that a parallel case�拭  �Pol。 Yes�察�truly。   Soc。 He would seem as if he did not know the nature of health and bodily vigour�察�and if we are right�察�Polus�察�in our previous conclusions�察�they are in a like case who strive to evade justice�察�which they see to be painful�察�but are blind to the advantage which ensues from it�察�not knowing how far more miserable a companion a diseased soul is than a diseased body�察�a soul�察�I say�察�which is corrupt and unrighteous and unholy。 And hence they do all that they can to avoid punishment and to avoid being released from the greatest of evils�察�they provide themselves with money and friends�察�and cultivate to the utmost their powers of persuasion。 But if we�察�Polus�察�are right�察�do you see what follows�察�or shall we draw out the consequences in form�拭  �Pol。 If you please。   Soc。 Is it not a fact that injustice�察�and the doing of injustice�察�is the greatest of evils�拭  �Pol。 That is quite clear。   Soc。 And further�察�that to suffer punishment is the way to be released from this evil�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 And not to suffer�察�is to perpetuate the evil�拭  �Pol。 Yes。   Soc。 To do wrong�察�then�察�is second only in the scale of evils�察�but to do wrong and not to be punished�察�is first and greatest of all�拭  �Pol。 That is true。   Soc。 Well�察�and was not this the point in dispute�察�my friend�拭�You deemed Archelaus happy�察�because he was a very great criminal and unpunished�此�I�察�on the other hand�察�maintained that he or any other who like him has done wrong and has not been punished�察�is�察�and ought to be�察�the most miserable of all men�察�and that the doer of injustice is more miserable than the sufferer�察�and he who escapes punishment�察�more miserable than he who suffers。´Was not that what I said�拭  �Pol。 Yes。   Soc。 And it has been proved to be true�拭  �Pol。 Certainly。   Soc。 Well�察�Polus�察�but if this is true�察�where is the great use of rhetoric�拭�If we admit what has been just now said�察�every man ought in every way to guard himself against doing wrong�察�for he will thereby suffer great evil�拭  �Pol。 True。   Soc。 And if he�察�or any one about whom he cares�察�does wrong�察�he ought of his own accord to go where he will be immediately punished�察�he will run to the judge�察�as he would to the physician�察�in order that the disease of injustice may not be rendered chronic and become the incurable cancer of the soul�察�must we not allow this consequence�察�Polus�察�if our former admissions are to stand�此�is any other inference consistent with them�拭  �Pol。 To that�察�Socrates�察�there can be but one answer。   Soc。 Then rhetoric is of no use to us�察�Polus�察�in helping a man to excuse his own injustice�察�that of his parents or friends�察�or children or country�察�but may be of use to any one who holds that instead of excusing he ought to accuse´himself above all�察�and in the next degree his family or any of his friends who may be doing wrong�察�he should bring to light the iniquity and not conceal it�察�that so the wrong´doer may suffer and be made whole�察�and he should even force himself and others not to shrink�察�but with closed eyes like brave men to let the physician operate with knife or searing iron�察�not regarding the pain�察�in the hope of attaining the good and the honourable�察�let him who has done things worthy of stripes�察�allow himself to be scourged�察�if of bonds�察�to be bound�察�if of a fine�察�to be fined�察�if of exile�察�to be exiled�察�if of death�察�to die�察�himself being the first to accuse himself and his relations�察�and using rhetoric to this end�察�that his and their unjust actions may be made manifest�察�and that they themselves may be delivered from injustice�察�which is the greatest evil。 Then�察�Polus�察�rhetoric would indeed be useful。 Do you say ;Yes; or ;No; to that�拭  �Pol。 To me�察�Socrates�察�what you are saying appears very strange�察�though probably in agreement with your premises。   Soc。 Is not this the conclusion�察�if the premises are not disproven�拭  �Pol。 Yes�察�it certainly is。   Soc。 And from the opposite point of view�察�if indeed it be our duty to harm another�察�whether an enemy or not´I except the case of self´defence´then I have to be upon my guard´but if my enemy injures a third person�察�then in every sort of way�察�by word as well as deed�察�I should try to prevent his being punished�察�or appearing before the judge�察�and if he appears�察�I should contrive that he should escape�察�and not suffer punishment�此�if he has stolen a sum of money�察�let him keep what he has stolen and spend it on him and his�察�regardless of religion and justice�察�and if he has done things worthy of death�察�let him not die�察�but rather be immortal in his wickedness�察�or�察�if this is not possible�察�let him at any rate be allowed to live as long as he can。 For such purposes�察�Polus�察�rhetoric may be useful�察�but is of small if of any use to him who is not intending to commit injustice�察�at least�察�there was no such use discovered by us in the previous discussion。   Cal。 Tell me�察�Chaerephon�察�is Socrates in earnest�察�or is he joking�拭  �Chaer。 I should say�察�Callicles�察�that he is in most profound earnest�察�but you may well ask him   Cal。 By the gods�察�and I will。 Tell me�察�Socrates�察�are you in earnest�察�or only in jest�拭�For if you are in earnest�察�and what you say is true�察�is not the whole of human life turned upside down�察�and are we not doing�察�as would appear�察�in everything the opposite of what we ought to be doing�拭  �Soc。 O Callicles�察�if there were not some community of feelings among mankind�察�however varying in different persons´I mean to say�察�if every man's feelings were peculiar to himself and were not shared by the rest of his species´I do not see how we could ever communicate our impressions to one another。 I make this remark because I perceive that you and I have a common feeling。 For we are lovers both�察�and both of us have two loves apiece�此�I am the lover of Alcibiades�察�the son of Cleinias´I and of philosophy�察�and you of the Athenian Demus�察�and of Demus the son of Pyrilampes。 Now�察�I observe that you�察�with all your cleverness�察�do not venture to contradict your favourite in any word or opinion of his�察�but as he changes you change�察�backwards and forwards。 When the Athenian Demus denies anything that you are saying in the assembly�察�you go over to his opinion�察�and you do the same with Demus�察�the fair young son of Pyrilampes。 For you have not the power to resist the words and ideas of your loves�察�and is a person were to express surprise at the strangeness of what you say from time to time when under their influence�察�you would probably reply to him�察�if you were honest�察�that you cannot help saying what your loves say unless they are prevented�察�and that you can only be silent when they are。 Now you must understand that my words are an echo too�察�and therefore you need not wonder at me�察�but if you want to silence me�察�silence philosophy�察�who is my love�察�for she is always telling me what I am telling you�察�my friend�察�neither is she capricious like my other love�察�for the son of Cleinias says one thing to´day and another thing to´morrow�察�but philosophy is always true。 She is the

teacher at whose words you are。 now wondering�察�and you have heard her yourself。 Her you must refute�察�and either show�察�as I was saying�察�that to do injustice and to escape punishment is not the worst of all evils�察�or�察�if you leave her word unre

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