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private who carries off the palm of victory in public。 

     Charm。   But   do   you   not   see   that   modesty   and   timidity   are   feelings 

implanted in man's nature�拭�and these are much more powerfully present to 

us in a crowd than within the cirlce of our intimates。 

     Soc。 Yes�察�but what I am bent on teaching you is that while you feel no 

such bashfulness and timidity before the wisest and strongest of men�察�you 

are ashamed of opening your lips in the midst of weaklings and dullards。��6�А�

Is it the fullers among them of whom you stand in awe�察�or the cobblers�察�or 

the carpenters�察  �or the   coppersmiths�察�or   the   merchants�察�or   the   farmers�察  �or 

the hucksters of the market´place exchanging their wares�察�and bethinking 



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them how they are to buy this thing cheap�察�and to sell the other dearis it 

before   these   you   are   ashamed�察  �for   these   are   the  individual   atoms   out   of 

which the Public Assembly is composed�殖�7�А�And what is the  difference�察�

pray�察�between your behaviour and that of a man who�察�being the superior of 

trained athletes�察�quails before a set of amateurs�拭�Is it not the case that you 

who can argue so readily with the foremost statesmen in the city�察�some of 

whom affect to look down upon youyou�察�with your vast superiority over 

practised   popular   debatersare   no   sooner   confronted   with   a   set   of   folk 

who   never   in   their   lives   gave   politics   a   thought�察  �and   into   whose   heads 

certainly it never entered to look down upon youthan you are afraid to 

open your lips in mortal terror of being laughed at�拭�

     ��6�А�Cf。 Cic。 ;Tusc。; v。 36�察�104�察�Plat。 ;Gorg。; 452 E�察�454 B。 

     ��7�А�Cf。 Plat。 ;Protag。; 319 C。 See W。 L。 Newman�察�op。 cit。 i。 103。 

     Well�察  �but   you   would   admit   ��he   answered��   that   sound   argument   does 

frequently bring down the ridicule of the Popular Assembly。 

     Soc。   Which   is   equally   true   of   the   others。��8�А  �And   that   is   just   what 

rouses my astonishment�察�that you who can cope so easily with these lordly 

people ��when guilty of ridicule�� should persuade yourself that you cannot 

stand     up  against    a  set  of   commoners。��9�А       �My    good    fellow�察  �do   not   be 

ignorant of yourself�。�10�А�do not fall into that commonest of errorstheirs 

who rush off to investigate the concerns of the rest of the world�察�and have 

no time to turn and examine themselves。 Yet that is a duty which you must 

not in cowardly sort draw back from�此�rather must you brace ourself to give 

good heed to your own self�察�and as to public affairs�察�if by any manner of 

means they may be improved through you�察�do not neglect them。 Success in 

the sphere of politics means that not only the mass of your fellow´citizens�察�

but your personal friends and you yourself last but not least�察�will profit by 

your action。 

     ��8�А  。�oi   eteroi���察  �i。e。   ;the   foremost   statesmen;   mentioned   before。   Al。 

;the opposite party�察─�the ;Tories�察─�if one may so say�察�of the                        political 

clubs。 

     ��9�А�Lit。 ;those 。 。 。 these。; 

     ��10�А  �Ernesti   aptly   cf。   Cic。   ;ad   Quint。;   iii。   6。   See   below�察  �III。   ix。   6�察�



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IV。 ii。 24。 



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     Once   when Aristippus��1�А  �set   himself   to   subject   Socrates   to   a   cross´ 

examination�察�such as he had himself undergone at the hands of Socrates on 

a former occasion�撮�2�А�Socrates�察�being   minded to benefit those who were 

with him�察�gave his answers less in the style of a debater guarding against 

perversions   of   his   argument�察  �than   of   a   man   persuaded   of   the   supreme 

importance of right conduct。��3�А�

     ��1�А�For Aristippus see above�察�p。 38�察�for the connection�察。�boulomenos 

tous    sunontas     ophelein���察     �between     this   and   the   preceeding      chapter�察�

see above�察�Conspectus�察�p。 xxvi。 

     ��2�А  �Possibly   in   reference   to   the   conversation   above。   In   reference   to 

the present dialogue see Grote�察 �Plato�察─�I。 xi。 p。 380 foll。 

     ��3�А  �For   ��prattein   ta   deonta��   cf。   below�察  �III。   ix。   4�察  �11�察  �Plat。   ;Charm。; 

164 B�察�but see J。 J。 Hartman�察 �An。 Xen。; p。 141。 

     Aristippus asked him ;if he knew of anything good�察┌�4�А�intending in 

case he assented and named any particular good thing�察�like food or drink�察�

or   wealth�察  �or   health�察  �or   strength�察  �or   courage�察  �to   point   out   that   the   thing 

named was sometimes bad。 But he�察�knowing that if a thing troubles us�察�we 

immediately   want   that   which   will   put   an   end   to   our   trouble�察  �answered 

precisely as it was best to do。��5�А�

     ��4�А�See Grote�察 �Plato�察─�ii。 585�察�on Philebus。 

     ��5�А�Or�察 �made the happiest answer。; 

     Soc。 Do I understand you to ask me whether I know anything good for 

fever�拭�

     No ��he replied���察�that is not my question。 

     Soc。 Then for inflammation of the eyes�拭�

     Aristip。 No�察�nor yet that。 

     Soc。 Well then�察�for hunger�拭�

     Aristip。 No�察�nor yet for hunger。 



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     Well�察 �but   ��answered   Socrates�� if   you   ask   me   whether   I know  of   any 

good   thing   which   is   good   for   nothing�察  �I   neither   know   of   it   nor   want   to 

know。 

     And when Aristippus�察�returning to the charge�察�asked him ;if he knew 

of any thing beautiful�察─�

     He answered�此�Yes�察�many things。 

     Aristip。 Are they all like each other�拭�

     Soc。 On the contrary�察�they are often as unlike as possible。 

     How      then   ��he   asked��    can   that   be   beautiful    which    is  unlike    the 

beautiful�拭�

     Soc。 Bless me� �for the simple reason that it is possible for a man who 

is   a   beautiful   runner   to   be   quite   unlike   another   man   who   is   a   beautiful 

boxer�撮�6�А�or for a shield�察�which is a beautiful weapon for the purpose of 

defence�察�to be absolutely unlike a javelin�察�which is a beautiful weapon of 

swift and sure discharge。 

     ��6�А  �See   Grote�察   �H。   G。;   x。   164�察  �in   reference   to   Epaminondas   and   his 

gymnastic training�察�below�察�III。 x。 6。 

     Aristip。   Your   answers   are   no   better   now   than��7�А  �when   I   asked   you 

whether you knew any good thing。 They are both of a pattern。 

     ��7�А�Or�察 �You answer precisely as you did when 。 。 。; 

     Soc。 And so they should be。 Do you imagine that one thing is good and 

another beautiful�拭�Do not you know that relatively to the same standard all 

things are at once beautiful and good�殖�8�А�In the first place�察�virtue is not a 

good   thing   relatively   to   one   standard   and   a   beautiful   thing   relatively   to 

another     standard�察   �and    in  the  next   place�察  �human     beings�察   �on   the  same 

principle��9�А�and relatively to the same standard�察�are called ;beautiful and 

good;�察�and so the bodily frames of men relatively to the same standards 

are seen to be ;beautiful and good�察─�and in general all things capable of 

being used by man are regarded as at once beautiful and good relatively to 

the same standard the standing being in each case what the thing happens 

to be useful for。��10�А�

     ��8�А�Or�察 �good and beautiful are convertible terms�此�whatever is good is 

beautiful�察�or whatever is beautiful is good。; 



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     ��9�А  �Or�察   �in   the   same   breath。;   Cf。   Plat。   ;Hipp。   maj。;   295   D�察   �Gorg。; 

474 D。 

     ��10�А   �Or�察   �and   this   standard    is  the   serviceableness      of  the   thing   in 

question。; 

     Aristip。   Then     I   presume    even   a   basket   for   carrying   dung��11�А  �is     a 

beautiful thing�拭�

     ��11�А �Cf。   Plat。   ;Hipp。   maj。;   288   D�察 �290   D�察  �and   Grote's   note�察  �loc。   cit。 

p。 381�此 �in regard to the question wherein consists ��to kalon���拭─�

     Soc。    To   be   sure�察  �and   a  spear    of  gold    an  ugly    thing�察  �if  for  their 

respective usesthe former is well and the latter ill adapted。 

     Aristip。 Do you mean to assert that the same things may be beautiful 

and ugly�拭�

     Soc。 Yes�察�to be sure�察�and by the same showing things may be good and 

bad�此�as�察�for instance�察�what is good for hunger may be bad for fever�察�and 

what   is   good   for   fever   bad   for   hunger�察  �or   again�察  �what   is   beautiful   for 

wrestling is often ugly for running�察�and in general everything is good and 

beautiful   when   well   adapted   for   the   end   in  

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