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rather   your   object   is   to   teach   me   that   the   would´be   general   must   make 

such things his care。 I admit in any case all you say。 

     Socrates proceeded�此�Has it ever caught your observation�察�Pericles�察�that 

a   high   mountain   barrier   stretches   like   a   bulwark   in   front   of   our   country 

down towards Boeotiacleft�察�moreover�察�by narrow and precipitous passes�察�

the only avenues into the heart of Attica�察�which lies engirdled by a ring of 

natural fortresses�殖�31�А�

     ��31�А�The mountains are Cithaeron and Parnes N。�察�and Cerata N。W。 

     Per。 Certainly I have。 

     Soc。 Well�察�and have you ever heard tell of the Mysians and Pisidians 

living within the territory of the great king�撮�32�А�who�察�inside their mountain 

fortresses�察�lightly armed�察�are able to rush down and inflict much injury on 

the king's territory by their raids�察�while preserving their own freedom�拭�

     ��32�А�For this illustration see ;Anab。; III。 ii。 23�察�cf。 ;Econ。; iv。                  18�察�

where Socrates �┌�XS���� refers to Cyrus's expedition and death。 

     Per。 Yes�察�the circumstance is not new to me。 

     And   do   you   not   think   ��added   Socrates��   that   a   corps   of   young   able´ 

bodied Athenians�察�accoutred with lighter arms�撮�33�А�and holding our natural 

mountain      rampart     in  possession�察    �would    prove    at  once    a  thorn   in  the 

enemy's   side offensively�察 �whilst   defensively  they  would   form  a   splendid 

bulwark to protect the country�拭�

     ��33�А�Cf。 the reforms of Iphicrates。 

     To    which     Pericles�此  �I  think�察   �Socrates�察   �these   would     be   all  useful 

measures�察�decidedly。 

     If�察  �then   ��replied   Socrates���察  �these   suggestions   meet   your   approbation�察�

try�察�O best of men�察�to realise themif you can carry out a portion of them�察�

it will be an honour to yourself and a blessing to the state�察�while�察�if you 

fail in any point�察�there will be no damage done to the city nor discredit to 

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     Glaucon�撮�1�А�the son of Ariston�察�had conceived such an ardour to gain 

the headship of the state that nothing could hinder him but he must deliver 

a course of public speeches�撮�2�А�though he had not yet reached the age of 

twenty。 His friends and relatives tried in vain to stop him making himself 

ridiculous and being dragged down from the bema。��3�А�Socrates�察�who took 

a   kindly   interest   in   the   youth   for   the   sake   of   Charmides��4�А  �the   son   of 

Glaucon�察  �and   of   Plato�察  �alone   succeeded   in   restraining   him。   It   happened 

thus。 He fell in with him�察�and first of all�察�to get him to listen�察�detained him 

by some such remarks as the following�今�5�А�

     ��1�А�Glaucon�察�Plato's brother。 Grote�察 �Plato�察─�i。 508。 

     ��2�А �Harangue the People。; 

     ��3�А�See Plat。 ;Protag。; 319 C�此 �And if some person offers to give them 

advice who is not supposed by them to have any skill in the art                        ��sc。 

of   politics�В察  �even   though   he   be   good´looking�察  �and   rich�察  �and       noble�察�

they will not listen to him�察�but laugh at him�察�and hoot                  him�察�until he is 

either clamoured down and retires of himself�察�or                    if he persists�察�he is 

dragged   away   or   put   out   by   the   constables   at      the   command   of   the 

prytanes; ��Jowett��。 Cf。 Aristoph。 ;Knights�察─                 �665�察。�kath eilkon auton 

oi prutaneis kai toxotai��。 

     ��4�А  �For   Charmides   ��maternal   uncle   of   Plato   and   Glaucon�察  �cousin   of 

Critias�� see ch。 vii。 below�察�Plato the philosopher�察�Glaucon's                     brother�察�

see Cobet�察 �Pros。 Xen。; p。 28。 

     ��5�А  �Or�察   �and   in   the   first   instance   addressing   him   in   such   terms   he 

could     not   choose     but   hear�察  �detained    him。;    See    above�察   �II。  vi。  11。 

Socrates applies his own theory。 

     Ah�察�Glaucon ��he exclaimed���察�so you have determined to become prime 

minister�殖�6�А�

     ��6�А。�prostateuein��。 

     Glauc。 Yes�察�Socrates�察�I have。 

     Soc。 And what a noble aim� �if aught human ever deserved to be called 



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noble�察�since if you succeed in your design�察�it follows�察�as the night the day�察�

you will be able not only to gratify your every wish�察�but you will be in a 

position to benefit your friends�察�you will raise up your father's house�察�you 

will exalt your fatherland�察�you will become a name thrice famous in the 

city first�察 �and next in   Hellas�察 �and lastly even   among barbarians   perhaps�察�

like Themistocles�察�but be it here or be it there�察�wherever you be�察�you will 

be the observed of all beholders。��7�А�

     ��7�А �The centre of attractionthe cynosure of neighbouring eyes。; 

     The heart of Glaucon swelled with pride as he drank in the words�察�and 

gladly he stayed to listen。 

     Presently   Socrates   proceeded�此  �Then   this   is   clear�察  �Glaucon�察  �is   it   not�拭�

that you must needs benefit the city�察�since you desire to reap her honours�拭�

     Glauc。 Undoubtedly。 

     Then�察�by all that is sacred ��Socrates continued���察�do not keep us in the 

dark�察�but tell us in what way do you propose first to benefit the state�拭�what 

is your starting´point�殖�8�А�When Glaucon remained with sealed lips�察�as if 

he were now for the first time debating what this starting´point should be�察�

Socrates continued�此�I presume�察�if you wished to improve a friend's estate�察�

you would endeavour to do so by adding to its wealth�察�would you not�拭�So 

here�察�maybe�察�you will try to add to the wealth of the state�拭�

     ��8�А  �Or�察   �tell  us  what    your   starting´point     will  be   in  the  path   of 

benefaction。; 

     Most decidedly ��he answered��。 

     Soc。 And we may take it the state will grow wealthier in proportion as 

her revenues increase�拭�

     Glauc。 That seems probable�察�at any rate。 

     Soc。 Then would you kindly tell us from what sources the revenues of 

the state are at present derived�察�and what is their present magnitude�拭�No 

doubt you have gone carefully into the question�察�so that if any of these are 

failing you may make up the deficit�察�or if neglected for any reason�察�make 

some new provision。��9�А�

     ��9�А�Or�察 �or if others have dropped out or been negligently overlooked�察�

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     Glauc。 Nay�察�to speak the truth�察�these are matters I have not thoroughly 

gone into。 

     Never   mind   ��he   said��   if   you   have   omitted   the   point�察  �but   you   might 

oblige us by running through the items or heads of expenditure。 Obviously 

you propose to remove all those which are superfluous�拭�

     Glauc。 Well�察�no。 Upon my word I have not had time to look into that 

side of the matter either as yet。 

     Soc。 Then we will postpone for the present the problem of making the 

state    wealthier�察   �obviously      without    knowing      the   outgoings      and   the 

incomings it would be impossible to deal with the matter seriously。 

     But�察�Socrates ��Glaucon remarked���察�it is possible to enrich the state out 

of the pockets of her enemies� �

     Yes�察  �to   be   sure�察  �considerably   ��answered   Socrates���察  �in   the   event   of 

getting   the   better   of   them�察  �but   in   the   event   of   being   worsted�察  �it   is   also 

possible to lose what we have got。 

     A true observation ��he replied��。 

     And therefore ��proceeded Socrates���察�before he makes up his mind with 

what enemy to go to war�察�a statesman should know the relative powers of 

his own city and the adversary's�察�so that�察�in case the superiority be on his 

own     side�察 �he   may    throw    the  weight    of   his  advice    into  the  scale   of 

undertaking war�察�but if the opposite he may plead in favour of exercising 

caution。 

     You are right ��he answered��。 

     Soc。   Then   would   you   for   our   benefit   enumerate   the   land   and   naval 

forces first of Athens and then of our opponents�拭�

     Glauc。 Pardon me。   I could not tell you   them off´hand   at a   moment's 

notice。 

     Or ��added Socrates���察�if you have got the figures on paper�察�you might 

produce them。 I cannot tell how anxious I am to hear your statement。 

     Glauc。 No�察�I assure you�察�I have not got them even on paper yet。 

     Soc。 Well then�察�we will defer tending advice on the topic of peace or 

war�察�in a maiden speech at any rate。��10�А�I can understand that�察�owing to 

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